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October 12, 2004

Supreme Court to Decide Ten Commandments Issue; Ee'dplebnista Shall Wait and See

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The Supreme Court said Tuesday it will take up the constitutionality of Ten Commandments displays on government land and buildings.

This country was founded on Judeo-Christian philosophy and displaying elements of this philosophy in government or public buildings such as schools does not violate this:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Displaying, mentioning, acknowledging and even respecting our Judeo-Christian heritage does not violate the 1st amendment. If this country had been founded on any other philosophy I would say the same thing and expect that we would display and acknowledge that heritage as well.

Displaying, mentioning, acknowledging and even respecting our Judeo-Christian heritage does not take away or diminish other religions or religious ideas. It does not intimidate, distract, or confuse those of other religious beliefs. It doesn’t hurt the atheist or anyone of another belief. That same amendment protects them and their beliefs are respected, acknowledge, and protected as well despite our Judeo-Christian heritage.

I think this is madness really. It’s almost surreal to see the constitution distorted and misaligned. It really boils down to politically correct overreacting evolving into hysteria and confusion over our own society and self.

From the reporter who wrote the Associated Press article:

The Constitution bars any state "establishment" of religion. That means the government cannot promote religion in general, or favor one faith over another.

This is just plain wrong. The government can encourage the idea of religion in general. What it cannot do is create a law about the setting up/founding/formation of religion and it cannot keep people from exercising their religious beliefs.

We are the government and the constitution is the document we have created to guide us. Let’s not forget how to read or think lest we follow another version.

Pretty soon “We, the people of the United States in order to form a more perfect union” will be “Ee'dplebnista norkohn forkohn perfectunun.”



Posted by AJY at October 12, 2004 11:24 AM

Filed Under: Wake Up To This

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There is definitely a tension in the first amendment between the Establishment clause (Congress can't favor one religion over another one) and the Free Exercise clause (Congress can't keep us from observing our religion).

As for the Ten Commandments cases, I think the issue there is that Congress is chosing to recognize and celebrate the Judeo-Christian values but not the values of other faiths.

I personally think the old monuments should stay because they are historical (and not intended as a present-day governmental endorsement of religion) but that new 10 commandment monuments should not be allowed because they do violate the establishment clause.

Either that or the same public facilities would have to allow other messages in the same place... granite monuments of Hindu deities, statutes of Buddha, inscriptions of scriptures from the Koran. If the government allows the 10 commandments but the scriptures or symbols of other religions then it is favoring one religion over another and this is unconstitutional.


Do these things not simply honor our Judeo-Christian heritage? This country was founded on Judeo-Christian philosophy so I do not understand why honoring that heritage is now wrong.

Like I said if the foundation of this country was based on other philosophies I would support those being on display an honored as well.

Congress shall make no law about establishing religion. How is displaying monuments in honor of our Judeo-Christian heritage establishing it as the only religion? It’s honoring the foundational philosophy of our country not pushing religion on someone.


I think the court should always try to err on the side of liberty rather than restriction.

At some point you have to make a choice, by that, I mean values can't be completely separate from society.

Let's say that one faith says 'gay is wrong' and another says 'gay is right'

You can't have both.

So suppose someone says you are favoring christianity by the 'gay is wrong'

Do you have to accept ''both'', which is impossible?

Laws ultimately boil down to getting society to do what we consider 'right'. The very word 'rights' is rooted in what IS right.

I would say government should probably not restrict public displays of monuments, but I don't think a Buddhist monument should be given 'equal place' with a Christian monument. Why? Because the society reflects Christian values and is strongly based and made up of Christian people. Shouldn't government of the people, by the people, and for the people, be a reflection of the people AND the values they hold?

I am not saying the Buddhist monument should be in a back bathroom, but what I am saying is that the idea that all ideas should be given an equal standing simply because they are ideas goes against logic. Ideas gain credibility as they are received by people and retransmitted.

So is the question, ''should the state be for religion or against religion?'' Hopefully neither, as it is the society's place to regulate the degree to which religion is a part of life.

Is the question, ''should the state be for Christianity or against Christianity?'' Same answer, one would hope. We cannot ask people to somehow split themselves into a secular and a religious part. Yet we ask the state to accomplish this feat.

The Constitution asks our national government to thread the fine needle of being neither for nor against religious liberty. A monument does not speak in itself. It merely stands. Its words are meaningless without people who live by the words. Are we threatened by blocks of stone or by people who live lives that are about oppression?

I hope the Supreme Court in its imperfect wisdom decides to err on the side of religious liberty and teach the nation through its decisions that we have to love our brothers and sisters, and stand for the most Christ-like of values, which is to love our neighbor as Christ loved us.


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